December 08, 2003
I'd Like My Shake To Go, Please
Spit or swallow.
The topic that is the subject of many jokes.
'What's the difference between like or love?'Â A: 'Spit or swallow.'Â
'What's the ideal woman?'Â A: 'One that's three feet tall and swallows with a flat head to rest your beer on.'Â
And so on.
Personally, I've never seen the big deal with the issue. I know that women feel very strongly one way or another about this topic, as evidenced by a drunken chick night I had once in which all the lady folk got pissed and we started talking about our oral techniques. The table was pretty clear on their preferences:
2 women wanted warning before he met the finish line, so they could back up and let the guy go off like an unchecked fire hose.
2 women would let him race his pony to the finish line, only to eject him discreetly in a cup at that very second when he is done (aka the second the man is so sensitive that removing the pony from the warm little stable is likely to cleave him in half).
1 woman wouldn't even do it, full stop. Her mouth was her sacred zone, and in return she signed off rights to having him do so muff diving. (personal note: what an idiot. Never, never sign off that right!)
And myself and another woman were swallowers. And neither of us saw the big deal with it.
I don't perform my patented oral technique on every guy, and I only bring the ones I really care about to conclusion, for the others it's just a quick jiffy lube job. I may not have a problem with swallowing, but I see the act of completion as a rather personal act. So before you get the impression that I am lining up and sucking off a line of men, mouth opened not unlike a carp, then think again. I can count the number of men I have done this to, and the number is not overwhelming.
But let there be some ground rules. I have some, which I have learned out of experience:
- Don't go down on him if he won't go down on you. In fact, if he won't muff dive, ladies, what the hell are you still doing with him?
- If he makes you brush your teeth directly after or won't kiss you, then lose him. Chances are he expects a kiss after he's been flossing his teeth on you, if it's ok for him, it's ok for you.
- No teeth, unless he asks for it. Some guys love it, some guys have to be pried off the ceiling.
- If it doesn't taste good, don't do it again. Guys seem to taste a bit different from guy to guy. Hopefully, you have a tasty one.
- He should try it, just once. You know, the old absorb and the pour. This is tricky one, and not something that I have ever done, actually. But I can see the attraction, and the erotic quality of it. I think the ratio of men willing to give this one a go is minor.
Most women aren't desperate to do this. We're not sitting around thinking 'Hmmm'¦my gosh how I would like a protein shake right now. Maybe I can get him to drop trou to satisfy my craving.' Just like I'm sure you guys don't really sit around thinking 'Hmmm'¦I would really like a tuna sandwich right now, which I could smear all over my chin after nearly suffocating myself with it.'Â
We do it because you guys' like it. Because it firmly puts us in control, and makes you beholden to us. It is at that moment, once we have swallowed, that we could likely get you to sign us blank checks. To agree to let us re-do the living room. To agree that you could never ever ever find another lover ever as good as us. And we just love to look up while administering said favor and see the expression of pure worship on your face. I mean, you can't do it yourself. So you're awed that we can.
You can try to make it fun, too. If you don't feel like swallowing, have a contest to see how far he can shoot (and that can be impressive, really!). I once asked a guy to see if he could finish up on my salad, but he replied that he didn't really find lettuce that appealing, so if it's ok he would just settle for my mouth, thanks.
Good answer.
I still don't see the big deal with it, but then again I haven't done it with every partner. What I can say is this-if it makes him weak in the knees, beholden to you, and willing to hold you up as a sex goddess, then why not do it?
-H
PS-some updates on my personal life tomorrow.
PPS-read my favorite Don's interview here.
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You know -- the ones I didn't want to stick with (ahem) were the ones that tasted like a mixture of Clorox and bleach water. (Reminds me of the Sex in the City episode "My boyfriend has funky spunk." I almost coughed up a lung. I digress.)
Fortunately, things are much different -- and the tasty part is just reason number 4,567 why I'd marry my piper all over again.
We MUST compare techniques sometime. Aheh.
Posted by: margi at December 08, 2003 09:48 AM (4jrV0)
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I, personally, never saw the problem with it. If I want a guy to do special favors for me, of course I'll return the favor,but it isn't one of my favorite pass times either. I find the more I care about someone, and the more willing he is to try to please me, the more eager I am to do it for him. Sometimes I spit, sometimes I swallow, depending on the situation, and my mood at the time. Taste does play a big part in it, too, on whether I go there or not. I do get kinda grossed out when they want to kiss me right after goin' south, but I don't make a big deal out of it, just hand him a towel first so he can at least wipe his face. LOL
Posted by: JaxVenus at December 08, 2003 10:34 AM (D5Tko)
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I dunno. I actually do find myself thinking of of gnoshing the fish taco on a fairly regular basis. I love muff diving. Absolutely love it. When I'm diving I feel like a maestro with a Strativarius.
There is absolutely no feeling quite like turning a gal into a stuttering, twitching mass with a rocking orgasm. Verbal discourse with the little man in the boat is an almost surefire way to achieve this lofty goal.
Posted by: Jim at December 08, 2003 11:03 AM (fkewd)
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Between Jim's description and my envy over Margi having a bagpiper, I think I have to take care of myself. Again!
Posted by: Helen at December 08, 2003 11:33 AM (3nEic)
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I had a 'Bad Experience'(dont ask!!) with blow jobs as a teenager which has meant that they are now a big deal to me.
I now have to really care about a man to do this. The one i am with now i really care for and i don't mind doing it at all.
abs x
Posted by: abs at December 08, 2003 01:39 PM (lnpfn)
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re. taste
Apparently the taste can vary depending upon what the guy has been eating that day. Very spicy foods tend to turn the taste bitter.
If I've had a curry my g/f finds the sperm tastes disgusting, otherwise she is happy to swallow.
Unfortunately eating chocolate doesn't make it chocolate flavoured otherwise us men would be onto a great trick to get more BJs.
Posted by: Cheekysquirrel at December 08, 2003 02:17 PM (d1Kiy)
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OK, I hope an impromptu meeting isn't called right now because walking to the other side of the building at this moment would be a very embarrassing experience...
Posted by: Rob at December 08, 2003 02:31 PM (pL1ga)
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Cheeky - try eating MORE chocolate. "Riesen" in particular... I had a girlfriend once comment on how great that was. :-)
From a guys perspective - I think just knowing that your woman doesn't have an issue with it is enough. She doesn't have to do it ALL the time, just occasionally. If she's too prudish, flat out refuses or even if she's just a cumdodger, then, no thanks...
Posted by: Clancy at December 08, 2003 02:41 PM (EGVPL)
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I've got to go with Jim on this one. I love doing that to a woman, too. And, with all modesty, I've never had complaints. Of course, I use Sam Kinison's patented technique (may he rest in peace): "Lick the alphabet. You'll have her screaming, 'More capital T! More capital T!'"
I don't particularly like the taste. I don't particular like partial suffocation. I love the joy it brings to my wife.
Posted by: Jiminy at December 08, 2003 03:44 PM (SmXw4)
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Jiminy, Clancy, and Cheeky get a thumbs up for their willingness to kneel before the Beaver Altar.
And I've heard GARLIC helps a guy taste good...Just FYI.
Posted by: Helen at December 08, 2003 04:45 PM (YVsB4)
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Speaking of thumbs...Anybody not heard the Thumb/BJ Joke? What has two thumbs & loves BJ's?...
Posted by: Kyle at December 08, 2003 05:21 PM (blNMI)
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Helen, it's funny that you'd want a piper. I've had one and actually, he was pretty damn stellar. Okay, mindblowingly awesome.
Posted by: emily at December 08, 2003 05:57 PM (KyeL/)
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2 words. Pinapple Juice. Drink it. It works.
Posted by: pylorns at December 08, 2003 06:02 PM (O/rwE)
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shit, when i ready your description of a guy craving a tuna sandwich i laughed so hard it scared the dog at work! bwahahaa!
i'm with you though, i don't see the big deal about cum. i swallow it, i spit it, i spray it, whatever the mood calls for. and i would never, ever, ever date a guy who didn't muff dive.
i can remember when i was younger, being embarassed when a guy went down on me. so glad i got over that.
current bf loves it when i sit right down on his face....damnit...being horny at work, not cool!
Posted by: kat at December 08, 2003 06:25 PM (qEQy+)
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(Helen, your cookies don't work--at least for me. I have to enter my shit in each time.)
Re: spit/swallow--if I'm gonna take it all the way, I'm gonna take it all the way. It's not fair to switch up the method at the moment-of-truth. I don't want a guy fingering me to the point, and then switching up to licking when I'm just going over the edge. That screws up the orgasm. Same for head. So if I've determined that I'll finish him off, he gets the full treatment. I can count the lucky men I've done this with on one hand. Few deserve it.
Besides, swallowing is just one fewer load of laundry I have to do afterwards.
Posted by: S. at December 08, 2003 06:45 PM (7wzrX)
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S.-I know, I can't figure out what to do about the cookies. Maybe my fucked-up old pc has screwed everything up, in which case give me a few weeks while I get a new laptop.
Posted by: Helen at December 08, 2003 07:10 PM (LQOkh)
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Helen, its not your cookies, this problem is common, i posted a comment on don's site about the fix, its out on Movable types website.
Posted by: pylorns at December 08, 2003 07:44 PM (zn1zt)
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The gent makes such a difference. There's only been one that I refused to swallow with, but his product was so disgusting that it was just not an option. I attribute it to his living on hot dogs and cheap-ass relish. Otherwise, I'm happy to oblige. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
In my early sex days, I didn't much enjoy men going down. Thank all the gods, that's changed in every way. The *least* I can do for him after a couple of lickalicious orgasms is deliver the big sloppy kiss!
Posted by: Kaetchen at December 08, 2003 09:03 PM (WZyYB)
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Those ground rules are sound, except for the second to last: diet plays a big role in taste, as do a few other factors. So giving it a second try may be the thing to do...
And I'm with Jim & Co., I *love* eating pussy. But then, you read my blog, which means you probably knew this already.
TOO MUCH INFORMATION WARNING
"you can't do it yourself". Errrr, this depends on three factors: length, flexibility, and the will to succeed. 'nuff said. But yes, when you gals do it, it's still better.
(Have I weirded out everyone now? ;-)
Posted by: Gudy at December 08, 2003 09:32 PM (rFfj/)
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I once dated a guy that LOVED going down on me. And he was spectacular. And after the first time I gave him head he told me that he'd never had a blow job before. He'd been dating a girl for 5 years before and she wouldn't do it. Go me. He worshiped me after that.
Oh, and red meat can make it taste funky, too.
Posted by: amy t at December 08, 2003 09:35 PM (Pdh6k)
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I believe the technical term for someone with the inclination admired here, myself included, is episeophage.
Posted by: triticale at December 08, 2003 11:15 PM (YmQkS)
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"episeophage" {grin} Yeah.
As to chocolate vis-a-vis taste, only dark/bittersweet chocolate works -- no milk. Mmmmmmmmm
Posted by: jean at December 09, 2003 12:57 AM (Af9+w)
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I had a girlfriend who wouldn't let me go down on her. Bit of a shame as I quite enjoy it (providing its not reeking of ladyflower or post-urination) but can't keep it going for long as my tongue ain't that long and it starts to ache at being poked out for too long.
Posted by: Cheekysquirrel at December 09, 2003 01:37 AM (dmD1l)
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Were the fuck was this crap going too, maybe it made séance at the time of writing? boy oh boy
I mean why use 300 words when several will do
EG “I give great head but it’s always done with convection, not"!
As IÂ’ve mentioned in other posts
Ignorance has saved many a man from going insane
Posted by: paul at December 09, 2003 02:03 AM (JW4Ws)
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(H sorry for commants below)
i will read this tommorow and laught my balls off
Posted by: paul at December 09, 2003 02:09 AM (JW4Ws)
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Pretty much any diet with a large protein component is going to result in nasty spunk, obnoxious crap and stanky urine. If you're on the Atkin's diet your partner is not going to enjoy your juices, whether you're male or female. Pylorn's suggestion for pineapple juice is pretty good. Very high in carbohydrates, low in protein.
Kyle - "This guy!"
Cheekysquirrel - Give your tongue a break occasionally. That's what hands are for. One hand for the top and one for the bottom. Top hand will alternately spread the labia for tongue sessions and masturbate the clitoris and stroke the pubis when the tongue takes a break. Use the other hand to alternate pressure on the perineum (the taint area), make use of toys, insert fingers to masturbate the vagina, fondle the rectum (not all women like this, be careful) and slide up and down between the labia.
A killer move is to insert two fingers and "rub your thumb" (softly) to stimulate the vagina and perineum at the same time. Wild, wild results with that.
Experiment, be creative, listen and watch your partner to see what she likes. ASK her what she likes.
It might be called "eating out" but in this case it's okay to play with your food.
PS - Whatever you use on the rectum is off limits for use elsewhere.
Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2003 02:18 AM (fkewd)
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This is a kinda long comment, but I was afraid the link might go away...lol...Surprised I didn't see anyone else comment on it...
-- Women who perform the act of fellatio and swallow semen on a regular basis, one to two times a week, may reduce their risk of breast cancer by up to 40 percent, a North Carolina State University study found.
Doctors had never suspected a link between the act of fellatio and breast cancer, but new research being performed at North Carolina State University is starting to suggest that there could be an important link between the two.
In a study of over 15,000 women suspected of having performed regular fellatio and swallowed the ejaculatory fluid, over the past ten years, the researchers found that those actually having performed the act regularly, one to two times a week, had a lower occurance of breast cancer than those who had not. There was no increased risk, however, for those who did not regularly perform.
"I think it removes the last shade of doubt that fellatio is actually a healthy act," said Dr. A.J. Kramer of Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, who was not involved in the research. "I am surprised by these findings, but am also excited that the researchers may have discovered a relatively easy way to lower the occurance of breast cancer in women."
The University researchers stressed that, though breast cancer is relatively uncommon, any steps taken to reduce the risk would be a wise decision.
"Only with regular occurance will your chances be reduced, so I encourage all women out there to make fellatio an important part of their daily routine," said Dr. Helena Shifteer, one of the researchers at the University. "Since the emergence of the research, I try to fellate at least once every other night to reduce my chances."
The study is reported in Friday's Journal of Medical Research.
In 1991, 43,582 women died of breast cancer, as reported by the National Cancer Institute.
Dr. Len Lictepeen, deputy chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society, said women should not overlook or "play down" these findings.
"This will hopefully change women's practice and patterns, resulting in a severe drop in the future number of cases," Lictepeen said.
Sooner said the research shows no increase in the risk of breast cancer in those who are, for whatever reason, not able to fellate regularly.
"There's definitely fertile ground for more research. Many have stepped forward to volunteer for related research now in the planning stages," he said.
Almost every woman is, at some point, going to perform the act of fellatio, but it is the frequency at which this event occurs that makes the difference, say researchers. Also key seems to be the protein and enzyme count in the semen, but researchers are again waiting for more test data.
The reasearch consisted of two groups, 6,246 women ages 25 to 45 who had performed fellatio and swallowed on a regular basis over the past five to ten years, and 9,728 women who had not or did not swallow. The group of women who had performed and swallowed had a breast cancer rate of 1.9 percent and the group who had not had a breast cancer rate of 10.4 percent.
"The findings do suggest that there are other causes for breast cancer besides the absence of regular fellatio," Shafteer said. "It's a cause, not THE cause."
Posted by: MiMo at December 09, 2003 02:25 AM (RNP0b)
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Asparagus is a no no at dinner; apparently it can be tasted up to a week later
(Paul quickly picks up the spirit of the conjecture)
Posted by: paul at December 09, 2003 02:30 AM (JW4Ws)
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God memo did that come from your head or did you spam it .well done fact over fiction
Posted by: paul at December 09, 2003 02:37 AM (JW4Ws)
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MiMo, that's a big fat FALSE on that article. It's bogus.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/fellatio.asp
Posted by: S. at December 09, 2003 02:54 AM (GGC1A)
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I actually was stupid enough to believe that the article was a true one...lol...and so, now I shall forevermore keep my mouth shut....thank you for showing me the error of my ways......
Posted by: MiMo at December 09, 2003 04:30 AM (RNP0b)
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For a second there, many men were lining up with strange reasoning to the bedside with promises of reduced breast cancer rates.
And it's a big no to go anywhere near my ass. Jim's right-make sure the woman is into it, otherwise you have some explaining to do!
Posted by: Helen at December 09, 2003 06:53 AM (eNAMP)
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you can go NEAR the ass... just not IN the ass. VERY important detail. Hell, if he's down there, I don't know that I'm really paying much attention to anything except his tongue! WOO HOO
Posted by: important at December 09, 2003 07:33 AM (6sTpp)
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More help for student divers:
If both legs twitch inwards together you probably did something that was not appreciated. One leg moving inward slowly is a very, very good sign.
Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2003 10:31 AM (fkewd)
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Lovemaking begins with oral..first kissing then licking...mouth to mouth..the the body,slowly moving down.69 is my favourite position.Its comfortable and both parties can pleasure each other to their own conclusion.Swallowing for me is the ultimate gift to give my man...And YES Helen..one can get whatever one wants afterwards...he considers me a goddess!
Posted by: butterflies at December 09, 2003 06:25 PM (karT6)
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*sigh* Ain't that the truth. Now if I could just get my wife to see that. 69 is fine, but she won't let even miniscule amount of come or pre-cum near her mouth. :-(
Posted by: Gudy at December 09, 2003 06:57 PM (0i/ok)
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Am I the only one who has no preference here? Admiring a prodigious, arching spew of baby-batter is every bit as rewarding as having my man-chowder slurped down.
Posted by: gymrat at December 09, 2003 10:17 PM (nnOa7)
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I think if my wife sucked and swallowed, I would pass out from excitement.
Posted by: Almost Lucid (Brad) at December 12, 2003 09:40 PM (kmBPo)
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December 06, 2003
Just Thinking
I'm sitting in front of the computer, which is situated in front of a window on the top floor of my house. Outside it is snowing and -2 degrees. The Heather that I planted in the windowbox outside the window is frozen stiff, interlaced with white puffy snowflakes that are clinging determinedly to the branches.
At least I have taken a shower, although I promptly put my same pajamas on. And yesterday I did eat, driven as I was by the evil PMS fairy that demanded all things salty head my way. Then I consumed almost a whole bottle of red wine, started watching "Say Anything", and went up to bed, where I masturbated in bed under the amber glow of a fire, and allowed myself in my orgasmed state to be lulled off to shifty Kafka-dream filled sleep, which found me waking up early this morning in a pool of sweat. So I played with myself again to ease my mind, but found it didn't really work.
And now I sit here, and am just thinking.
My life is more up in the air now than ever before. I can honestly say that this year has been the most horrible, the most liberating, filled with self-discovery and yet filled with despair. I never want another year like this again, and yet hope that if I ever get stuck in a rut in life I do have another one.
I have had much advice here, and almost all of it good. These are the factors that I am trying to reconstruct my life around now:
- I have been unemployed for going on three weeks.
- I get full pay until May 9.
- I have a permanent Swedish work permit, and am up for Swedish citizenship in February or March.
- I have a state-approved and funded private psychotherapist, who for the first time in my life lets me feel that someone can fix me.
- There are no jobs in Sweden. And about 30,000 ex-telecom people looking for one.
- I have had a few hits on possible jobs in the UK, but it means I have to move away from my home, Partner Unit, and my therapist. Not to mention I have to get them to be flexible about the work permit until my Swedish citizenship comes through.
- I love my Partner Unit, but I am not in love with him. There is a distinction. And I don't want children with him, although I very much want children. I do feel terrible for hurting him, and I don't want to hurt him anymore, but truth time is coming. I know it. And I will be ready for it when it is here.
- I'm in love with Mr. Y but his situation is muddied, as is his mind about whether or not he truly wants me. His Partner Unit is breaking it off but he is making it clear that it is her choice, not his. And he's thinking of moving back to Sweden just as it looks like I may be moving to England, where he lives. This hurts like mad, and I wish he could just say: I choose you, Helen. I want you. Let's make a go of life, ok?
And so I think of these things and do only what I can. Apply for more jobs. Drink coffee. Watch the snowflakes drift down. Take silent steps in my head to test how it feels up there. Avoid my heart, since I know how badly it feels, seeing as it is curled up in a fetal position just beneath my breastbone, begging to be left alone.
I'm just thinking. For the first time in my life, I'm not rushing into anything.
I'm just thinking.
-H.
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And lots and lots of us are thinking of you.
I didn't know you were seriously pursuing Swedish citizenship, though I guess it makes sense given the Partner Unit thing.
But . . . no jobs. Ugh.
Posted by: ilyka at December 06, 2003 11:55 AM (9IWHL)
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Exactly what Ilyka said.
We're all thinking of you. xx
Posted by: Jamie at December 06, 2003 12:48 PM (pEx7A)
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I like Jamie's blog title.
Posted by: ilyka at December 06, 2003 02:04 PM (9IWHL)
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Hi Helen,
What are you thinking? You got good props for thinking; snowflakes, fire, computer and coffee. One thing great about your blog besides it's honesty is that it is a partially written story which no one knows what the next paragraph will say or reveal. Real-time suspense! Don't even know the future characters in it.
Posted by: Roger at December 06, 2003 02:58 PM (HzdL4)
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If you want to live/work in the EU, Swedish citizenship will really help as you won't need a work permit anywhere else.
I guess it depends on how long you're prepared to stay in Sweden if you can't immediately find work there. Don't just rush into the first job that comes your way simply because any job is better than no job though. Being paid up until May, you've hopefully got time to pick and choose the best opportunity for you.
Posted by: Gareth at December 06, 2003 03:43 PM (NHA9E)
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definitely take the time to think and rest and think.
but sometimes having nothing to do for long periods can be daunting. perhaps make your writing your pseudo job while you search for another job.
and yes, so many people are thinking of you. stay warm. ((hugs)))
Posted by: kat at December 06, 2003 06:12 PM (FhSIP)
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Sometimes when you are allowed to sit and think and analyze your situation for too long, it gets too muddied, it gets complicated.
Posted by: pylorns at December 06, 2003 06:30 PM (zn1zt)
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These are problems that may seem as cold to the soul as the winter chill outside your window now. But will slowly melt away and become less immovable the more selfish you allow youÂ’re self to become.
Posted by: paul at December 06, 2003 06:56 PM (JW4Ws)
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Okay, so now with all this masturbatory talk, I'm curious. Do you buzz only one off each time? Because I mean, 5 in a day is easy that way. Me, I'm a selfish fuck. I don't stop till I have at least 5 per session. (The first one takes a while but then it's like aftershocks on the San Andreas, so the remainders are easy, and sometimes better!) So, would you be so kind as to clarify?
Oh--ps. For when we girl-pile with two Ks, an H, and an S, I also don't let my girls have just one. I'm my own special version of Lays. ba dum bum.
Posted by: S. at December 06, 2003 10:09 PM (7wzrX)
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You are in a difficult phase for sure, but everything will be ok Helen...believe it
Posted by: nisi at December 06, 2003 10:24 PM (d0eYL)
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Hell, I'd just take the unemployement, veg a bit, and work on my mental health. Why not take a winter to recuperate?
Posted by: Courtney at December 06, 2003 10:50 PM (ecRVn)
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Thinking is good; not rushing is good. Thinking as in mulling over things is what is good, though; not obsessing, or "what-if"-ing things to death. But it does seem that you're doing the former -- you don'y sound as despairing and frantic today.
I'm all for the plan of giving yourself permission to take a month or two off to get your Self together. Seems to me you'd be much likelier to make better/healthier choices all around when you've achieved some peace and inner tranquility.
Since you're still receiving pay, why not use the not-working time to take some stress management courses? Maybe some meditation too. And find a gym soon -- your body needs that physical outlet!
OK, that's it for today's 2¢!
Posted by: jean at December 06, 2003 11:59 PM (Af9+w)
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I know I'm not very up-to-date with fashion but why in your pic are you wearing a chair?
Posted by: Cheekysquirrel at December 07, 2003 01:25 AM (dmD1l)
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Cheekysquirrel - see: http://everydaystranger.mu.nu/archives/007628.html
Posted by: Courtney at December 07, 2003 05:36 AM (ecRVn)
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S., I'm the opposite. When I'm alone, one gigantic O is enough. But with a partner, I average 3-4 per session.
It's so good to be female sometimes.
Posted by: Kaetchen at December 07, 2003 07:29 AM (YwdKL)
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Pylorns has a point-the more I think about it, the worse it all gets.
Posted by: Helen at December 07, 2003 08:50 AM (ogERC)
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Oh, and when I masturbate, I'm not talking about round after round immediately. I have to take a break, since I get too sensitive. But with a guy, I can go again and again and again...
Yup. Sometimes it is great to be of the female persuasion.
At least the snow has stopped falling here, but I am back in front of the study window, drinking coffee, and thinking...
Posted by: Helen at December 07, 2003 09:40 AM (ogERC)
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Courtney I'd thank you for the link if it wasn't for the fact I have to go take a cold shower now
Posted by: Cheekysquirrel at December 07, 2003 11:19 AM (dmD1l)
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Duh. Jean is majorly dyslexic. I read this: "but I am back in front of the study window, drinking coffee, and thinking..." but my brain said "thinking of coffee and drinking." Sheesh.
Posted by: jean at December 07, 2003 07:55 PM (Af9+w)
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Just my humble opinion but you should fix yourself before you can move on with your personal or professional life.
[...funded private psychotherapist, who for the first time in my life lets me feel that someone can fix me.] This is nothing to sneeze at. You are lucky to have this. Here in the US people who are unemployed (like me) don't have this service no matter how much they may need it.
Just the fact that you can write about yourself and share some painful episodes leads me to believe you are fixable.
Next year.......Everyday Stranger for "Best Overall Blog!"
BTW..any spelling/grammatical errors are do to only being halfway through my first Starbuck's Peppermint Latte.
Posted by: zenwanderer at December 07, 2003 09:59 PM (yDFj9)
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Helen....remember all your dreams of Knights in shining armor....be like them...truthful, brave, and honorable...you'll be just fine, darlin'...you'll be juuuust fine...
Posted by: Eric at December 08, 2003 02:12 AM (fZKKx)
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I feel so badly for you, going through all of this on the eve of the holidays. Sometimes the loneliest time of year, when the phone sits there like condemnation and every snowflake is a shard of your broken heart. You just have to do the right thing for yourself, whatever that might be. But not rushing into anything is a good start.
You have so much to be thankful for, as you realize. The therapy is a wonderful benefit, ditto for getting paid until May. Swedish citizenship would be cool, especically if you plan on staying in the EU. And you're in touch with Mr. Y. Maybe that door is opening again, or closing, or half-ajar. At least you know it's there.
Those are all the words I have tonight. They probably seem trite to you, because god knows they seem trite to me. I always come off like such a dork, even when I just talk from the heart. But go ahead and laugh at me and my dorkiness. I don't mind. Sometimes a laugh is the most precious thing you can give someone.
Posted by: Sedalina at December 08, 2003 02:23 AM (eKujN)
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Zen-I know, the therapy is what's hardest for me to try to walk away from. I feel like I will condemn myself if I do so to a lifetime of fucked-up thoughts.
Eric-thanks, hon. It's nice to know I have the support.
Sedalina-I'm always up for a laugh. It's like cheap therapy, and much more fun that therapy, too.
Posted by: Helen at December 08, 2003 09:27 AM (W3fjy)
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I hope your state-approved and funded psychotherapist is convincing you that YOU can fix you.
Based on everything I've read -- and I'm really NOT trying to come off as an armchair psychologist -- I had a very similar year to yours last year. A little help from friends (even those that come in prescription bottles) is one thing, but you are the strongest person you know. You know you better than anyone else, you know your own motivations and reasons for doing A) when the rest of the world might be doing B). You have had every reason to go to bed and pull the covers over your head and you didn't give up. (Yes, I know about your extreme cry for help.) You don't have to do it all alone, sweetie but one thing I want you to know is that above all else -- you are strong and witty, beautiful and capable. All by your widdle self.
And once you have faith in yourself there will be no stopping you.
Sorry. I had to say all that, didn't I? Sheesh.
Hang tough, babe. I'm in your corner 100%.
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Vote For Me!
I have been nominated as "Best Female Authored Blog"
here. If you love me, give me a vote!
And while there, vote for our lovelies Anger Management for Best Humor Blog, Ilyka Damen for Best Newcomer!
-H.
UPDATE: I never do these, really, but LeeAnn submit this on her site-"What John Cusack Character Are You?" She either knows me really well and knew I needed a pick me up or wanted to buy my vote. Whatever, I love her for it, since as you know I will sell my soul for the chance to fuck the brains out of John Cusack (after he has been dosed with anti-biotics for drilling Britney that is). And, for your information, I am:
Which John Cusack Are You?
Not sure about the adorable bit, but I like the sound of the rest.
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Among other things? Can you beat 5 in a night and day or should it be pro-rated? ;-)
Posted by: Jim at December 05, 2003 07:01 PM (IOwam)
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Helen, you'd get my vote just for doing your comments all backwards like I do . . . but as it happens, there're plenty of better reasons to vote for you than that.
Posted by: ilyka at December 05, 2003 07:19 PM (1+elX)
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Thanks for the, er, plug Helen! I've done the same for you, as if there was any question.
Posted by: Don at December 05, 2003 07:20 PM (e6au8)
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I love looking at the latest comments first. It's a picky-bitch time issue with me. I'm glad I'm not alone!
And you know, Jim? I don't actually know. I can do more than 5 rounds in a night and day with a GUY, but never tried it alone.
Hmmm...stopwatches...ON!
Posted by: Helen at December 05, 2003 07:31 PM (aDtWE)
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*barf*
C'mon Hel. You're far better than some dumbass set of sphincter-suck weblog awards.
Posted by: S. at December 05, 2003 07:56 PM (YXgfO)
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I take bribes for votes.
Posted by: pylorns at December 05, 2003 08:32 PM (zn1zt)
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How about some old guard bloggers get nominated also. sigh
Posted by: Drew at December 05, 2003 08:48 PM (CBlhQ)
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How about some old guard bloggers get nominated also. sigh
Posted by: Drew at December 05, 2003 08:48 PM (CBlhQ)
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More than 5 alone is easy. It just depends on your boredom level.
Posted by: LeeAnn at December 05, 2003 08:55 PM (HxCeX)
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I'm going gay for S.
And Drew, lovely-I didn't nominate me, or anyone else for that matter. If I had done, I would've nominated you for "Best Old Guard Blogger".
Posted by: Helen at December 05, 2003 10:12 PM (sD/O7)
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I actually named my blog after that movie...its a great movie, not my favorite, but very good. The title just seemed to strike soemthing in me. Say Anything...I like it.
Posted by: Rob at December 05, 2003 11:16 PM (fcqpB)
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Holy crap, I'm Lane Meyer. Why is that not surprising?!
"Here's what you do. You go down this hill, really fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!"
And H - you, me and S are going to just have to have a big etherized orgy one of these days. Bring toys!
Posted by: Kaetchen at December 05, 2003 11:16 PM (WZyYB)
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I posted mine in the wetwired forum.
Posted by: pylorns at December 06, 2003 12:27 AM (fD1hc)
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Who cares how silly/goofy/whatever the "awards" are -- it's fun, so I voted for ya!
Adorable, too? Yeah, I'd say so!
Hey, put me down on the list for that all-girl orgy... as, ummm, participating chaperone?
Posted by: jean at December 06, 2003 01:17 AM (Af9+w)
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Heh. I'm John Kelso. I'm compassionate, inquisitive, and I look
hot in a tuxedo.
Yeah. I wouldn't mind living in Savannah. It's my second favorite US city (ties with SF).
Posted by: jean at December 06, 2003 01:23 AM (Af9+w)
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H & K: Have toys. Many. Will travel!
Posted by: S. at December 06, 2003 04:15 AM (wAJob)
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I took the test and I'm Rob Gordon. I'm lovesick (oh yeah). Stuck in the past a bit (a bit???). But hey, I have a kickass record (CD) collection.
OK, that's all spot on...and my real name is Rob G. John knows all.
Dude, I'm freakin' out here.
Posted by: Rob at December 06, 2003 06:11 AM (zxA1f)
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I'm pleased to say that I'm Walter "Gib" Gibson from The Sure Thing" - Spontaneous, Crazy, Adept at slacking (and finding interesting ways to guzzle beer.) I think the slacking thing is truest, although now confined to weekends. Set a new record last weekend. Opened the door only one time - to carry the trash bag approximately 20 feet to the trash can - and never got out of my pajamas except to take bubble baths or sleep. Ahh, the good life!
Hopefully, spontaneous and crazy will come back after the next two weeks of hell at work. Hey, Helen, I'll be logging on every couple of hours to see if you've written anything new, as promised.
Posted by: Oda Mae at December 06, 2003 08:52 AM (2MSK8)
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Hey Oda Mae, we had the same weekend last weekend!
Rob, I had to go watch "Say Anything" again last night. Ahhhh...bliss.
Kat, S, and Kaetchen-we totally need an orgy, supervised by Jean. I have toys, too. Good ones!
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You got my "Best Female Authored" vote!
***Everybody else go to
Wizbang and vote once every 12 hours.***
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Love Versus Software
OK, my love life continues to be very confusing, but let's step away from that and focus on Amsterdam.
No, not the space cake. Actually, I didn't try any of that since my unemployed status could lead to drug testing before a job is offered, and the excuse "My life sucks a clown's ass so I needed to get high on some dodgy brownies" will not fly. (Weird but true fact: I have never been high. Always wanted to give it a try, but never had the chance. I would especially like to try Ecstasy. Hell, if I can masturbate five times in one weekend, what could I do on that stuff? Take on the Swedish Navy?)
Anyway. I went to dinner with my American friend Karen, her Dutch boyfriend, and about 5 other Dutch friends of theirs. Karen, Bernadette (the only other woman) and I all wound up sitting together at one end of the table, throwing down what they call "white beers" (which I believe are "wheat beers". I don't actually know if this is true, and if beer can be made of wheat, but I assume where there's a will, there's a way).
Now, Karen's boyfriend and his friends all work in IT. Bernadette works in insurance, and Karen works in training. I turned to Bernadette out of interest and asked her how much I would be worth, in terms of life insurance.
Bern: OK, mid-thirties, HIV-positive, we would be looking at-
Me: What? I'm not HIV-positive.
Bern: OK, but say you were.
Me: But I'm not. Not that I have any problem with anyone who is. I just personally am not. You include that in your quotes? I thought infection rates were down.
Bern: They are. It's just a quote, Helen. OK, mid-thirties, HIV-negative-
Me: I'm 29.
Bern: Well, mid-thirties.
Me: What? HELLO! I'm 29!
Bern: We won't insure you.
Hmm. Ok. Either cause I'm a picky bitch or not mid-thirties and HIV positive, I guess.
As the evening progressed, it was clear the differences between men and women. As more beer was applied to the situation, the commonalities between the men camp and the women camp disappeared. Where once we went from bonding over the BBC's "Office" tv show, "Six Feet Under", and our mutual hatred for Hugh Grant (although all of the women folk agreed secretly that yes, we would fuck him), we immediately went from women topics versus men topics.
Aka love vs. software.
We focused on identifying the little gestures that can be defined as love (a tip from my blog), marriage, and romance.
They focused on the best upgrade packages they have used, how to go about finding a real first edition Pac-Man video game, and the glory that is X-Box.
Us:
Bern: When my husband was overseas for a year on business, I missed him terribly. When he came back, he threw himself into my arms and proposed on the spot. We married the next month, and I know not that I cannot be without him.
Karen and I nodding, misty-eyed: That's love.
Them:
Boy 1: Then when I installed the package, I found I could go through the other command system and view hidden messages of downloaded porn.
Boy 2 and 3: That's good software.
Us:
Karen: When I walked into the house, ready for a fight because I was so grumpy and tired, I found he had cooked dinner, cleaned the whole house, and he got me a glass of wine and a massage and then he provided me with oral pleasure.
Bern and I: That's love.
Them:
Boy 2: I noticed the frightening dearth of entertaining low-programmed games. Remember the days of pong? So simple, and yet so elegant in its design.
Boy 1 and 3: That's good gaming.
Us:
Me: And I look at the gifts he has given me, and I think that some of the most special ones were the different ones. He bought me an expensive pair of sneakers once since he wanted my feet to be warm and safe and protected. It seems strange to think of a guy buying you expensive sneakers, but he honestly cared.
Bern and Karen: That's love. Totally.
Them:
Boy 3: And I found that this site can provide you with software that you can download directly to the phone, and upgrade the system to remove the network branding options.
Boy 1 and 2: That's good phone-age.
And so on.
And as the beers continued, we got more and more sappy, and then naturally transitioned to the sex part, which is where we got the men's attention again.
Of course.
-H.
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There is such a thing as wheat beer. Not my favorite by far. They tend towards sharp tasting and leave me with a fantastic headache, though a decent hefeweizen is very good for drinking while eating.
Stay with porters and bochs. Can't go wrong there.
Posted by: Jim at December 05, 2003 10:35 AM (fkewd)
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As usual, you kill me. It's so true. The evening you describe reminds me of the first time my boyfriend and I went out with my best friend and the man in her life at that time. My boyfriend and I had been dating a mere three weeks, but I wanted to see if he'd get my best friend's seal of approval.
He did, but at several points during dinner, he and her man would lose themselves in talk of football, glorious football, and my friend started muttering bitchy remarks to me about it.
I said, "I share the sentiment, dear, but look at it this way: it's excellent cover for us to talk about whatever we want. We can say anything and, trust me, they won't even hear it."
She said, "What do you mean?"
I said, "Did I tell you [this guy I'd been messing around with before the boyfriend] and I had one last fling this week, sort of a goodbye present?"
I didn't whisper it or anything. My friend gasped and looked up--but neither of the men had even noticed. They were still busy discussing the Cowboys. She turned back to me and said, "Girl, SPILL IT. I want details."
So I did.
They never heard a word. They never even noticed until finally she and I were laughing so hard at their utter cluelessness that it sort of woke them up.
Posted by: ilyka at December 05, 2003 10:38 AM (1+elX)
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LOL!
The key part is for the man closest to the women folk to keep half an ear out on what the women-folk are saying, and then sneak that into the men-folk conversation at times the women are busy sighing "That's love." Yes, this is our dirty secret. We hear everything you say.
It's just we don't care. Footy, Xbox, basic male bonding. It's all so primeval and vital. Of course we switch back when the talk returns to sex. Every male out for a group dinner is hoping all the women-folk have been talking about love and sex and thus are ready to get jiggy with it when they get home. Our other secret.
Posted by: Simon at December 05, 2003 10:52 AM (FUPxT)
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Now see, wheat beer is my favorite. Most especially the Weizen (wheat) beer I get in Germany.
YUM!
They have HefeWeizen here in the states which is okay, but not as good as true Weizen.
Posted by: serenity at December 05, 2003 10:55 AM (3XIYy)
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Zeroed right in on the beer there, didn't I? Sort of missed the point of the article in my comment, huh? I'll correct that now.
Sex is better than wheat beer. Better than most beers, in fact. But not Stovepipe Porter from the Otter Creek Brewing Company. That's a dark rich epicurian orgasm in a bottle right there.
Posted by: Jim at December 05, 2003 10:56 AM (fkewd)
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Ah! I do what ilyka does all the time. Sometimes though the men-talk gets interesting too, for eg. when I heard the pitch of the men's conversation going really low, and I sneaked up only to hear them discussing one of the girlfriends' titties. I love the dynamics in a mixed male-female gathering. You realise then that man is still a primate (I have the BETTER software, car, software, playstation, job, hunk of meat) whereas woman has moved on.
Posted by: Melodrama at December 05, 2003 12:58 PM (iG0g6)
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I think if I were you I'd put the Swedish Navy through a selection test.
Your tastes would be more likely attained, and the line'd be a little shorter. You'd be able to leave the house come (er) Monday or Tuesday, I believe instead of the following weekend.
hln
Posted by: hln at December 05, 2003 02:15 PM (yJyUC)
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See? Ilyka, Jim, and Simon have all had similar experiences. It's the men vs. women thing.
And the wheat beer headache? Oh yeah. That was a bad one.
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> And as the beers continued, we got more and more
> sappy, and then naturally transitioned to the sex part,
> which is where we got the men's attention again.
...huh? What? Did you say something? :-)
Posted by: Rob at December 05, 2003 03:38 PM (pL1ga)
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On the topic of beer...German wheat beers are available nearly everywhere...weizens on tap are very good. And I guess the question has already been answered that yes, you can make beer using wheat. in fact, you can make beer using any number of grains or other plants.
Some of the most interesting come from this company:
http://www.heatherale.co.uk/
They make traditional beers of ancient Scotland using heather, seaweed, gooseberries, elderberries, spruce and other ingredients. I've had several of their beers and they are very good...it may not sound good but it is interesting. And I love the historical connection.
Posted by: Rob at December 05, 2003 03:45 PM (pL1ga)
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many of the small breweries here make wheat beer, and i've had lots of it, never a headache.
better wheat in cda? haha.
Posted by: hilary at December 05, 2003 05:02 PM (58dWV)
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Envy my life more!
My office is right underneath the Karltenburg Kastle, a German brewery transplanted from there to here. They have a great wheat beer but there Dunkel kicks ass. Oh, and every Monday it's all you can drink and eat for $20.
Posted by: Brass at December 05, 2003 05:21 PM (SrRJG)
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I always thought ot weizen as a wonan's beer. Not that I really have an opinion on that one way or the other, it just seemed like the wine cooler of the beer world. I'm more of a booze guy myself. I think I just grew up thinking that for some reason. I blame my parents.
Posted by: Guinness at December 05, 2003 06:02 PM (5jKa8)
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Help me out here. Can't seem to post on your map but can you put me right (where we all want to be) UNDER YOU...
Posted by: Kyle at December 05, 2003 06:04 PM (blNMI)
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Ha! I have no idea how to fix the map.
But Kyle, dearie, I am really not a fan of the woman on top position, sorry! I'm a traditional position woman. Or scissors. Or lazy-stlye. Or doggie. Or....damn. Think I need to go play with myself now.
Posted by: Helen at December 05, 2003 06:17 PM (47Izh)
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Hey! What about the spoon? I love the spoon. Or the modified transverse spoon. That's a kick and a half, I tell you what.
Posted by: Jim at December 05, 2003 06:54 PM (IOwam)
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Or the modified transverse spoon.
I think my Geek Detector just blew up.
Posted by: ilyka at December 05, 2003 07:17 PM (1+elX)
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A little sex talk always perks up a mans ears.
Posted by: pylorns at December 05, 2003 08:24 PM (O/rwE)
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Woman-on-top rocks!! Us girls get the eye contact we like, and the guy get an eyeful (er, or handful or mouthful) of my ta-tas. Plus, I also get to control the depth of penetration as well as the grindage factor. And if you're the type of gal to "take matters into your own hands," so to speak, this position makes it super-easy, and most guys get fascinated when a woman touches herself and he gets to watch (and hopefully learn as well!). Just realized recently (thanks to an amazing partner) how much I enjoy this position. Thought it would make me self-concious, but actually had the exact opposite reaction. Hmmm... methinks Helen was on the right track - time to make a "playdate" with myself!!
Posted by: curious onlooker at December 05, 2003 09:14 PM (LZzXX)
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I'm all about the lazy Susan and doggie. Penetration sans compare. On top's ok, but when he's too big - ouch. I mean, do I really need a bruised cervix?
Okay, time to stop leaving comments when I'm hopped up on Excedrin Migraine. It's probably not as fun for everybody else!
Posted by: Kaetchen at December 05, 2003 11:19 PM (WZyYB)
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OK, why do I have to... er.. come in when the comments turn to "on top" vs. other? This, like, *rilly* doesn't help when the batteries are low and I don't feel like going anywhere on this cold, damp, grey day! Ya'll are soooooo cruel. Mmmmmmm... on top.... yeah.....
Jim, what about the
reverse modified transverse spoon, with a half twist... heh
Posted by: jean at December 06, 2003 01:12 AM (Af9+w)
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Back to the on top thing
TRY this< kneel on all fours on the floor and place a mirror directly where your partners face would be, you may be shocked to find you look like youÂ’ve just aged ten years ..ho ho
Posted by: paul at December 06, 2003 07:32 PM (JW4Ws)
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Back to on top thing
TRY this kneel on all fours on the floor and place a mirror directly where your partners face would be, you may be shocked to find you look like youÂ’ve just aged ten years ..ho ho
(sorry error below)
Posted by: paul at December 06, 2003 07:35 PM (JW4Ws)
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To answer the first half of the beer question (the second being whether beer can be made from wheat), yes, white beer is wheat beer.
And for the women vs. men topics: you can usually find me talking with the women - most sport does nothing for me and I have sufficient amounts of software woes at work that dragging this stuff into my spare time is usually a big NO. I am geeky, but I am not that geeky.
And you better not try what ilyka did when I'm in a conversation, I *will* here this. OTOH, feel free to demolish the house around me while I read a good book. ;-)
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For Their Sakes'
The great and amazing fuckwittage in my personal life rages on. Partner Unit came home from China last night, and although we didn't discuss what needs to be discussed, he could tell that something was not quite right. We followed our usual role: Helen on the couch in fits of weirdness, flighty and talking about all manner of completely irrelevant conversation topics, and Partner Unit warily regarding me as a subject whose dosage needs to be upped.
I did hear from Mr. Y, and he let me know that should/if/when we both become single, he wants very much to be with me. We also talked at length yesterday, and the breakup of his current relationship is very, vey hard on him (isn't it hard on everyone? Break-ups suck.), perhaps even more so as he has sprogs in the picture. I don't know how to advise him, I don't know any words of comfort. He is in for a rough weekend, and in return I am in for a rough weekend, although he doesn't realize it.
In the past, my way of dealing with my breakups is to get the fuck out of Dodge, break off contact and move to a new place, but I recognize that's not possible with kids in the picture. All that one can hope for then is that the split can be as civil as possible, in order to save anyone from further distress.
Mr. Y, Dear Mate, and Best Friend are all in relationships that they admit they stay in for the children. All of them are fathers, and all of them are no longer in love with their Partner Units, but instead maintain that razor-sharp pendulum of sometimes hating their lives with a blinding and fiery passion, and sometimes being relieved that they are able to live in the same household as their kids and living in a relatively comfortable friendship.
Now, I am not a parent. Or I am actually, but my little ones are gone. But I can recognize the awesome and frightening sway that children have over a life. It is at once a horrifying burden and a bond which I deeply envy. I can see that parenthood is at once exhiliarating and exhausting.
But I have a different perspective on all of this, since I was a kid once (although not according to my therapist, but there you have it). You see, my parents were together and then seperated three times. The two times they got back together, they did it for the children, and they were clear on that. So my parents lived in that pendulum state for many years. Swing..love you...Swing...hate you...Swing...love you...Swing...hate you.
Here's a fact: kids know when their parents are unhappy. And you know what else? Although kids may not understand it when they're younger, as they get older they realize that the parents are together for their sakes'. And the guilt is catastrophic. When you realize that your very existence is the reason why two people subject themselves to living a life they don't want and only experience for your comfort, all you can think are things along the completely unhealthy line of "I'm not worth this. I have to be good to be worth this. How can I make them happy?"
I'm not trying to have an Oprah moment here. I am only telling you like it is.
So when I hear people tell me they are staying together for the sake of their children, my first thought is: Do your children a favor. Don't. And when people tell me that the single most important person in their lives are their children, I thnk: Shouldn't it be your partner? And when I hear people tell me that they will never divorce, ever, since it would hurt the kids, I think: Living in an unhappy household will hurt them worse. They will only see how love shouldn't be, instead of happiness in two seperate households.
I'm not all torn up about my parent's divorce. When they finally split for good, I was thankful. They are now both happily married to other people, and yes, it was a bumpy road for the step-parents for a while. And my parents are only now friends (all it took was for me to try to kill myself. Had I known that, I would've tried ages ago). It sucked and it was so hard, but at the end of the very long day, they were much happier.
When those men in my lives (Mr. Y, Dear Mate, and Best Friend) tell me that if they split up they will lose their children, I think: Why? Do you want to be around? Do you love them? Will you bust your ass to make sure you see them as often as possible? If any of those are "yesses", then you won't lose them. They are the fathers. They are the ones that can never be replaced. My father wasn't around when I was a child, but that was his choice. If you choose to be there, you always can be, geography be damned.
Sometimes the whole issue makes me even more scared about children. I think, should I not have the partner of choice, my real desire is to be single and adopt a baby on my own. Then again, maybe that's due to fear of being tied to another person in the type of bond that can never be severed, a life-long bond that you will have no matter how much you start hating the other person.
I just need to find that person.
-H.
UPDATE: Sorry, forgot to mention-have had three hits from my masses of CVs sent out, and one interview that was scheduled for last week moved to tomorrow. One other job sounds rather promising, and the third I am short-listed for I am sure I won't get. Two of the jobs are in England, one in Sweden/England. I am keeping my fingers crossed-have been unemployed for two weeks now. Thanks, Amy T.
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Speaking as a father and a husband I can say there are two very clear but distinct issues here. People fall out of love, just like they fall in love. It is not easy to be in a relationship with one person for a long period of time, either via marriage or otherwise. Once kids enter the picture people seem to get this idea that they need to stay together for the kids sake. As you've pointed out, that tends to lead to disaster anyway. It's the same as those who have kids as a way to try and stay together.
Having kids is the single best way to put strain on a relationship. No relationship is going to be 100% rock solid all the time. Indeed I'd say flexibility is the key to making it work. Kids ain't stupid and they pick up on things like this.
That said as a father there's nothing I want more than to come home each night and see the kids. I think some men fear they will lose the love of their kids if they aren't around 24/7, rather than one weekend in two. That's not the factor - it's how you interact with them when you do see them that matters.
End result is different people make different compromises because that's what life is about. If you and Y are meant to be, then that love will (eventually) permeate to the kids involved. That's a bridge to cross when you get to it.
Posted by: Simon at December 04, 2003 10:21 AM (OyeEA)
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And I am totally voting for you in the Best Foreign Blog category, Simon.
Posted by: Helen at December 04, 2003 10:25 AM (QV3iL)
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Damn, Simon! That was
exactly what I was going to say!
Well, not quite exactly. I was going to say "Having kids is the single
easiest way to put strain on a relationship". Other than that though, you pegged it.
One more thing, Helen dear.
"maybe that's due to fear of being tied to another person in the type of bond that can never be severed, a life-long bond that you will have no matter how much you start hating the other person." Kids are that life-long inseverable relationship. And that was scary as hell in the beginning and immensely comforting now.
Posted by: Jim at December 04, 2003 10:57 AM (fkewd)
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Simons words are so profound, and so true.
I too had parents who 'stayed together for the kids' and what a dissaster that was. When they finally divorced the relief was overwhelming for all concerned.
Maintaining a relationship with my father has not always been easy but i don't think living in the same house as him would have made a difference to that. I think you are right Helen, it is a choice fathers (and of course mothers) have to make, they have to want to be a part of their childrens lives. Some parents who are physically present never make that choice and can be emotionally unavailable, so they may as well not be there.
Abs x
Posted by: abs at December 04, 2003 01:14 PM (lnpfn)
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I think is all depends on the age in which the divorce takes place. My parents split when I was 5 or 6 so I only have 2 small memories of them ever being together. I may be harder when kids are older but kids see whatÂ’s going on and when parents arenÂ’t even sharing the same bed they get the hint.
As far as custody/visitation staying married should not be the reason for that. ItÂ’s all in the quality of the time not the quantity. When divorcing make provisions for holidays and summers. And never ever speak ill of your ex. Regardless of how you feel it is still there mother.
Or perhaps sue for custody. The courts have historically to the mothers but if you think you can prove your case do it. Staying together because your afraid of not winning or reduced visitation is just selfish. It does not help the children at all.
But then again sometimes its better if the father (or mother)should have a reduced role. Double that if they used the kids as pawn to get back and the father/mother
Posted by: Drew at December 04, 2003 03:35 PM (CBlhQ)
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This is always a very delicate and complex situation, as I'm sure you know.
I generally concur that it is usually a bad idea to stay together for the children, but I am sure where there are some situations where it makes sense, or where one parent would lose contact with the children.
The only advice I can think of is to take all of this as slowly as possible so that everyone is sure they are making the best choice before you all go all in to something.
Posted by: Guinness at December 04, 2003 03:46 PM (7uAz8)
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when my mom told her therapist that she was staying with my dad for the kids, the therapist told her that she was unknowingly teaching her children that their unhappy marraige was what a good relationship is all about. shortly after they split for good. i am very thankful for that as my parents (and my siblings and i) are so much better off.
however, the ending of a marraige with children is heart-wrenchingly painful and it takes a long ass time to heal (as you know having been through it.)
i hope and pray that everything will go as smoothly as possible for everyone involved.
xoxoxox
Posted by: kat at December 04, 2003 05:19 PM (qEQy+)
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My best advice is that, before making *any* commitments, you have to deal with the present. That means talking with PU and finding work. It'll be difficult for you to come into any kind of relationship - with Mr Y or anyone else - feeling uncertain about your financial and emotional future. First and last, no matter who you're with, you've got to be solid on your own. For others it might not be that way, but you are far too bright and independent to believe that someone else is going to take care of you. Take care of yourself first.
My opinions about marriages that stay together for the kids are hugely tinged by my own folks. I begged them repeatedly over a 20-year span to divorce. Can't tell you how much better things have been since they separated. And Scratcher, lovely man, is an incredible father who got out of a bad marriage precisely so that his son wouldn't grow up in a bad situation. Instead he and his ex share custody of a lovely and *very happy* well-adjusted little boy. Now, that probably wouldn't work for everyone. But Mr Y will know what his pollywogs can handle. Trust his judgement on that one.
Oh, and Helen? Stay sane, honey. This is going to improve significantly with time.
Posted by: Kaetchen at December 04, 2003 05:29 PM (WZyYB)
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I was so relieved when my parents divorced. Unfortunately, they re-married each other.
Yesterday's words are still true.
And I'm glad Mr. Y is standing up for what he believes.
Posted by: Courtney at December 04, 2003 06:22 PM (u6jpO)
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Just wanna say that I totally agree with you. The most important thing in a couple's relationship should be each other. But having just hatched a kid of our own, I can see how quickly the tables turn. I've already started thinking about how we can get back our time together.
Last night we kissed at 9:30pm and it was the first time all day. We both recognized it at the same time and were sad because of it. Hopefully we can find a way to get back to making each other #1 again sooner rather than [too] later.
Posted by: Almost Lucid (Brad) at December 04, 2003 09:23 PM (oDYrr)
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Yeah, I'm just putting in my request right now for a Helen/Kaetchen threeway.
Posted by: S. at December 04, 2003 10:09 PM (7wzrX)
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any way to make that a 4-way??
Posted by: kat at December 04, 2003 11:02 PM (qEQy+)
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Well, Helen, after Mr. Y's dear little note and your answer to my question, here's Mama Jean's 2¢:
Be arranging your future as if neither PU nor Y is in it. Only Helen is (and hopefully her little dog, too!), and that is what you need to be concerned with.
You know that you can't go to China; that's a given. Even if PU stays in Sweden, I think you know that relationship is doomed. As others have said, though, that ending has to be handled very delicately -- it's only fair to him; plus that's what's needed for your *own* mental health. A nasty, messy breakup right now would SO not help.
As for Mr. Y: even if he showed up on your doorstep tomorrow completely free of his own PU, getting together with him would be a mistake. Right after a split like that there are too many issues that he has to deal with -- physical, emotional, logistic, maybe legal -- that the stresses could end up ripping you apart.
Besides, it seems to *me* that Helen needs to ground, and figure out just who and what she is. It is my view that this could not be done with Mr. Y as a permanent fixture at this point.
No, methinks our Ms. H needs some solitude, without anyone else's issues to distract her from what is most important: herself!
Posted by: jean at December 05, 2003 02:14 AM (Af9+w)
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Good evening,
I have decided to Christmas card my blogroll, and this is me delivering yours.
Mery Christmas
Posted by: Guinness at December 05, 2003 08:37 AM (7uAz8)
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Merry Christmas to you, too.
There was masses of good advice from Rob, my Jiminy, Guinness and Drew. And Abs, Kat, Brad Courtney and Kaetchen have all been through it, too.
Jean's advice hit a note with me, though-I think I do have to make the analyzation of my life thinking of myself, and not of the possible configurations. That's only going to hurt if it doesn't go the way I am looking for.
And right now, I'm a wee bit too fucked up and fragile to be falling apart.
Love you guys. You're the best.
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And you ladies are on for that 4-way.
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Back to the Beginning
I'm back in Stockholm now, and will be back to blogging in full swing tomorrow (including commenting on my site and on others). I have had a most amazing week-sometimes it has been incredible and ephemeral. Sometimes, the best I could manage was to sit in the shower and cry, and hope that no one heard me.
I am currently removing everything from the hard drive of my PC, which I must return to Company x tomorrow. Truthfully, it had moved with me so many times that I thought it had disappeared from their inventory, but it appears not to be the case. It hurts badly, since my laptop has been my constant companion, my partner, and my life for many years now. We have been lovers-how often have I spent long nights and early mornings making love with my fingers on the sallow grey keyboard? How many tears have we had together? How many fights have we had?
Now we are breaking up, and like any break-up, I am not handling it well.
I now have to go buy a new laptop, at a time when making capital investments is less than ideal.
But such is my life.
Full details on my trip to London/Amsterdam forthcoming, including the bits about Mr. Y that I know everyone is keen to know about. What I can tell you, is the beginning. That, since we all need a good start to a new life, eh?
Wednesday last week I walked around the city of Winchester in England. The friend I was staying with had an unavoidable meeting in the morning, so I had to entertain myself for the morning. The day was dark and the rain poured down in sheets. I had decided to get a haircut in the duration, but noticed that no shops opened until ten.
I walked in the rain, feeling more lost and alone than ever before. Life had changed so much. My job was gone, my relationship crumbling, and everything I had ever known about myself was up for grabs. I realized at that moment that I had everything in my handbag (passport, wallet, camera, phone) that I could ever need to just escape. I could disappear from the life I knew-the complications, the sadness, the confusion-and just start over again. I reached into it and ran my fingers over the cover of the passport, feeling the bumpy blue grain and the gold embossing. I could disappear without a trace, and no one could ever reach me again.
It was then that I looked around me and saw the beautiful cathedral in Winchester, and decided a visit was in order.
I can't resist cathedrals and churches. Whenever I am around one, I have to go in and light two candles-one for my grandfather, and one for Kim. I may have strayed far from the Catholic path, and I may be a complete stranger to God, but some part of me longs to believe in the superstition associated with lighting a candle-that you light it for a person or a prayer, and when it goes out, the person has heard or God has heard you. So I have lit candles the world over for my Grandfather, and for Kim.
Strange, since I am no longer in the God choir, but instead try to rock to my own tune.
I walked into the chapel, soaking wet. I hadn't even bothered with an umbrella or raincoat, since I was hoping for the catharsis of rain to soak me and find its way into me. A kind, portly woman met me at the door. The cathedral had not yet opened, she explained. I just looked back at her, and something in my face had her open the doors for me.
The cathedral was amazing. It was perfection. The ceilings were so high that I couldn't even fathom the height. Stained glass was on every window. It was not so much as a cathedral, more as a devotion to religion. The organist was practising that morning, so from every angle was the sumptuous sounds of music pouring at me from every beam, racing from the buttresses and pouring its way directly into my chest, hammering me from all angles in explosions of melody. Walking in to the 1000 year old cathedral, you have to step on tombs of people below the floor. Husbands and wives. Soldiers. Clergy. Children. Some 40 years ago, some 400 years ago.
Walking further, I found the bank of candles I sought. Only one was there, lit and glowing. Extracting some pound coins, I dropped a few into the donation slot, and took four candles. Four, this time, instead of my two. And without feeling the least little bit of silliness or hypocrisy, I lit them, and spoke aloud inside my head. Four individual sayings for four candles.
"Grandpa, wherever you are, I love you and need you and want you here with me."
"Kim...fuck you. Fuck you for dying and fuck you for not coming back for me. I love you. I miss you."
"For anyone listening, please help me. I need any help I can get. I am on the verge of being lost."
"For anyone listening, please help Mr. Y. His life is coming apart just as mine is, and he needs to know how strong he is to make it through this."
And I turned on my heel and started to exit, stopping briefly to sit on a pew and just marvel at the music one last time. As I got closer to the exit, I ran into the portly woman again, who smiled at me and reached out a comforting arm.
"God sure loves you," she said, smiling even broader.
Not having the heart to tell her I didn't believe in God, I jsut smiled back. "Why is that?" I asked, waiting for the song and dance about Christianity.
"Because your candles are already blown out. Bless you, my dear." she said, and bustled away.
It appears I could not disappear without a trace. And so it is that I will keep trying to rebuild my life, and this time I need to do it right.
And tomorrow....Mr. Y.
-H.
PS-if you love me, feel free to nominate me here.
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Glad to see that you are back safe and sound. Rebuilding is probably a tough thing to do.
Best of luck in that.
Posted by: Guinness at December 02, 2003 09:11 PM (5jKa8)
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Helen, will Co.X let you buy the laptop from them?
Posted by: jean at December 02, 2003 09:25 PM (Af9+w)
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Sadly, no. They are only leasing them from another company.
So I followed loads of the advice on my previous mail asking for help removing info from the hard drive (except the setting fire/railroad options, which definitely would have been the most satisfying) and am on final step-copying "Bridget Jones Diary" onto the PC
Posted by: Helen at December 02, 2003 09:35 PM (WrdM/)
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wow great story. I do believe there is someone looking out for you, glad the candles were a symbol for you, we all need signs. :0)
Posted by: shortt at December 02, 2003 10:47 PM (tAQGK)
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Back to the begining vecini.. you said go back to the begining...
Posted by: pylorns at December 02, 2003 11:26 PM (O/rwE)
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You're going to be ok. At least you get to visit exotic places like Stockholm and Winchester.
And you're still smokin' hot.
So you got that going for you, which is nice.
Posted by: Rob at December 02, 2003 11:41 PM (fcqpB)
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so drunk I couldn't even buy brandy?
What? Who said that?
Posted by: Guinness at December 03, 2003 12:23 AM (5jKa8)
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Like many aspects of Catholicism, the lighting of fires for the departed predates Christianity by millenia. If it makes you feel better then don't feel funny because it is in a church.
Posted by: Jim at December 03, 2003 12:26 AM (fkewd)
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Shortt and Rob-thank you (and I love that I am considered a hot chick!)
Guinness-here's $10. You can totally buy brandy.
Pylorns-I hadn't thought of that when I wrote that, but now that film is all I can think about!
Posted by: Helen at December 03, 2003 12:26 AM (6n2DH)
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Way to go Helen!
Bridgett Jones Diary is much more realistic if played backwards - start with the guy, end up fat, alone but hopeful.
We've all been there. ;-)
Cathedrals are wonderful places. They point upwards, yet at the same time, they point inside yourself too... hope you found something inside of you to be proud of, to keep fighting for.
We all know it's in there too....
Posted by: Nicki at December 03, 2003 12:27 AM (5urJt)
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what a lovely experience. i'm not a christian, but i do find great peace in churches...particularly really old ones.
i think with all the love you've got swarming around you just from this blog, you certainly have built up enough energy that "something" is watching out for you...
take good care of yourself now. xoxox
Posted by: kat at December 03, 2003 01:04 AM (FhSIP)
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Pylorns, Guinness...... you've never been left stranded - unemployed - in Greenland, have you?
At the very least, we all know who Buttercup is around here, now don't we? Well, back into the Fire Swamp!
Away!!.....[/tackles R.O.U.S. while diving over pit of Lightning Sand and adeptly rolling away from Flame Spurt as he attempts to return through the Fire Swamp to his ship, the
Revenge]
Posted by: Mike the Marine at December 03, 2003 04:04 AM (r8Ldc)
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I see that Mike is all over it.
Glad to see we have a marine among our midst.
Posted by: Guinness at December 03, 2003 11:03 AM (7uAz8)
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Helen, please get me your immunity challenge.
Posted by: pylorns at December 03, 2003 02:26 PM (AhTDr)
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"Back to the beginning vecini..."
How
bizarre! I just watched PB last night.
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December 01, 2003
Blogging in Platinum
By the way, here's me blogging in platinum.
PLEASE NOTE - NOT WORK SAFE!!!!
Blogging Nekkid
Maybe one day I will be brave enough to post the other one he took...
-H.
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heheh... do you have any idea how many men will be right-clicking-save-as today?
Posted by: emily at December 01, 2003 11:04 PM (KyeL/)
Posted by: LightandDark at December 01, 2003 11:11 PM (Hrm9v)
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DANG!!! *thump*....sorry..where was I?...musta fainted or something....anyway, go over to Beth's and vote for a logo!
Posted by: Eric at December 02, 2003 12:02 AM (fZKKx)
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Oh, and Emily...you are SOOOOOOOOOOOO right...heheeh
Posted by: Eric at December 02, 2003 12:04 AM (fZKKx)
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Gee, I wonder what went on in THAT room? Oh yeah...already saved ;-)
Posted by: Rob at December 02, 2003 12:40 AM (zxA1f)
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Way to make your return, H. You just gave me the best Christmas present idea. Hehehe.
Posted by: Kaetchen at December 02, 2003 01:47 AM (WZyYB)
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Just as I thought, no reflection!
Posted by: Jim at December 02, 2003 01:58 AM (fkewd)
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Time to update your profile pic
Posted by: Drew at December 02, 2003 02:55 AM (K/rfM)
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Sweet. It looks good when you do it. I hate to think what would happen if I attempted that sort of thing. Anymore anyway.
Posted by: Guinness at December 02, 2003 02:56 AM (HUtSD)
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Umm. Err.
/*speechless*/
Posted by: Joey at December 02, 2003 03:32 AM (Jq6q/)
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Thats what i call a pic... I take it mr y took this?
Posted by: pylorns at December 02, 2003 03:50 AM (fD1hc)
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Awesome pic! I applaud your instestinal fortitude, and the sheer joie de vivre that it took to post that one, dear. Oh, that we all looked so good while typing!
Posted by: Courtney at December 02, 2003 03:55 AM (m8Exe)
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Am I the only one that keeps straining his neck, getting as close to the screen as I can to look over a shoulder?
I know my poor chair is now very jealous of someone else's chair. hah! Hmm..I know I know...strange time for your first comment ever Brad...
Posted by: Brad at December 02, 2003 04:37 AM (0SrUW)
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Who says blogging isn't sexy?
I'll be grinning for a week now.
Posted by: David at December 02, 2003 07:57 AM (4dlyT)
Posted by: Sue at December 02, 2003 08:21 AM (0SrUW)
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Damn, girl!
Posted by: jean at December 02, 2003 08:42 AM (Af9+w)
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As has been remarked by other people in other places, if this isn't work safe, you are working at the wrong company. ;-) (No, my boss shouldn't see me ogling your beautiful backside either. Although it sure raises the working moral, besides other things.)
And now you have me seriously question whether it'd be such a good idea to do something similar myself as I intened - the results just wouldn't be as aesthetically pleasing...
Posted by: Gudy at December 02, 2003 01:17 PM (Kw7cm)
Posted by: Don at December 02, 2003 02:56 PM (e6au8)
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gorgeous!! how fun to see a glimpse behind the scenes...teehee.
Posted by: kat at December 02, 2003 03:18 PM (FhSIP)
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Ummmmm..... yeeeeaaaaah...... what Don said.... or didn't say..... or whatever..... I'm babbeling..... what were we talking about.... I feel light-headed......
Posted by: Mike the Marine at December 02, 2003 06:02 PM (Zw7Hl)
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Yum! Tasty cakes! You let me know where to send my extra supply of bravery pills!
Posted by: Johnny Huh at December 02, 2003 07:11 PM (YkElu)
Posted by: kelvingreen at December 02, 2003 08:19 PM (qfonu)
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If I could only be that chair.
Posted by: Bob at December 02, 2003 08:52 PM (YF2Uq)
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Whoa.
So, Helen....how's it goin'? You know, North Dakota is pretty nice in December. Kind of.
Posted by: Rob at December 02, 2003 09:27 PM (fcqpB)
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Helen, I figgered out what you can do now for a job. You can get a web cam and blog nekkid! You would make an absolute fortune!!! Hell get a shower cam, a dressing room, a masturbator cam, a vibrator cam... the whole nine yards!
Posted by: The Bartender at December 07, 2003 08:08 AM (m4w9S)
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Purty girl!! Purty girl!!
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A Quick One
Sorry for the silence, but I had no internet access in Amsterdam all weekend.
I am now back in London for one night, back to Stockholm tomorrow afternoon. I promise to post a long one tomorrow night (European time) and give the full update. I am alive and well, and love you guys for being concerned about me. I am concerned about me, too.
In the meantime, all I can say is this-things are looking darker than ever.
That, and how do I erase (without chance of recall) all files from a laptop with Windows 2000 (hopefully, without incurring any cost)?
-H.
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Debug.
http://www.fdisk.com/fdisk/HardDrive.htm
Boot to Win98SE startup disk (It is the best OS made boot disk ever). Type in debug at the A: prompt.
Enter in the following commands:
Blue: what you type in.
Pink: what is displayed on the screen. (DO NOT TYPE THIS IN!)
Black: this is useful information. (DO NOT TYPE THIS IN!)
To delete partitions on a hard drive:
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-F 220 L1000 0 (ENTER)
-A CS: 100 (ENTER)
xxxx:0100 MOV AX,301 (ENTER)
xxxx:0103 MOV BX,200 (ENTER)
xxxx:0106 MOV CX,1 (ENTER)
xxxx:0109 MOV DX,80 (ENTER) <---"80" for hd1, "81" for hd2 >
xxxx:010C INT 13 (ENTER)
xxxx:010E INT 20 (ENTER)
xxxx:0110 (ENTER) <-------BLANK LINE "VERY IMPORTANT" >
-G (ENTER)
Program terminated normally
- (CTRL)-(ALT)-(DEL) to reboot system
Posted by: pylorns at December 01, 2003 05:27 PM (AhTDr)
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try one of these. I haven't used any of them, but this is the type of app you might look for.
http://lists.gpick.com/pages/File_Deletion_Tools.htm
Posted by: Christine at December 01, 2003 05:28 PM (Q/NXM)
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With that said, here is more info about how to wipe data from a drive. A typical IT guy won't be able to recover anything if you do these things.
http://guide.vsnl.net.in/security/articles/data_security_erasur_hdd/index031121.html
Posted by: pylorns at December 01, 2003 05:29 PM (AhTDr)
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Ooh nerd fodder ... goody! All of these guys are right although it has to be said that the only way to be sure your data is gone, is to remove the Hard Drive, put it in a strong platic bag, and stick it on the railroad tracks ...
one freight train later and even the FBI won;t be getting that stuff back ... a similar effect can be created using a large hammer (and is worryingly satisfying). Then when you have to give the laptop back you can jusy claim 'it came like that' and 'I wondered why it was taking so long to start up' ;-)
Posted by: robert at December 01, 2003 05:54 PM (kXZI6)
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Good thoughts Helen...good thoughts. I hope being with your friends will give you some peace of mind.
Posted by: Rob at December 01, 2003 05:57 PM (pL1ga)
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c:> format c:
yes
c:> cd d:
d:> format d:
yes
Ok, not sure if that would really work, but it got me giggling. I'm pretty simple, you know.
Posted by: Carlene at December 01, 2003 06:02 PM (hL8Mp)
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Carlene , the problem with just formating. It mearly marks the data so it can be overwritten. Very simple tools can be used to pull the data right back. I think the best bet is a bulk eraser a power drill and a smelter.
Posted by: pylorns at December 01, 2003 06:59 PM (O/rwE)
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http://shredxp.com/e/ or
http://www.tucows.com/preview/291498.html or
http://www.evidence-blaster.com/privacy/
check out www.tucows.com - they have utilities that can help
Posted by: Helper at December 01, 2003 07:10 PM (D2g/j)
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ALways wondered how to do that. If the hard drive is removable I would just pull it out and physically destroy it. Though it would cost money to replace it at least your 100% sure of no recovery.
Posted by: Drew at December 01, 2003 08:07 PM (CBlhQ)
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Helen! Glad to "see" you; sad that things are dark.
My version of permanent HD deletion: a *very* stront electromagnet.
Posted by: jean at December 01, 2003 08:21 PM (Af9+w)
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glad to hear you are safe and sound. hope you have a good trip back to stockholm...hang in there! xoxox
Posted by: kat at December 01, 2003 08:36 PM (qEQy+)
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Just a question (that I'm reasonably sure won't be answered, but I'll still ask):
WHAT - pray tell - is so secret on that laptop that simple deletion is not a complete enough destruction of it's contents? The location of Saddam's chem weapons? The names of the men who killed JFK? The truth about Bert and Ernie? WHAT?
Posted by: Mike the Marine at December 01, 2003 09:44 PM (Zw7Hl)
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If you've still got your Laptop Recovery Cd, boot from that first and do a full re-install. That will clear the registry, then....
1. Delete all of the files by hand that you can find
2. Clear your internet cache
3. Wipe all temp files you can find
4. Fill the hd with crap- leave a sound recorder running overnight, fill it with mp3s, etc. Then, delete those
Helen, mail me if you want something less dirty as a solution - I'm not at my computer right now
And remember, it's always darkest before the dawn. We're with you.
Posted by: Nicki at December 01, 2003 09:46 PM (9r4C/)
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I have some nudie pics, old emails from Mr. Y, and personal documents.
Weird, but true.
Posted by: Helen at December 01, 2003 10:30 PM (4tEWI)
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I'll second Nicki on that one.
Ahem, ahem.
Not having *any* reason to want to delete files from my work computer computer, there would be no reason why I'd know about this, now would there be?
Posted by: Courtney at December 01, 2003 10:38 PM (u6jpO)
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I'll second Nicki on that one.
Ahem, ahem.
Not having *any* reason to want to delete files from my work computer computer, there would be no reason why I'd know about this, now would there be?
Posted by: Courtney at December 01, 2003 10:38 PM (u6jpO)
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If you truely never want whatever is on that hard drive to see the pixel of day, you can do a low level format and zero all data using the original formatting tools, maxtor maxblast for instance, OR buy a new hard drive and replace the old one. Thus creating and exciting and novel paper wieght.
dread
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Sorry to hear things suck right now. Many warm, fuzzy thoughts are being radiated your way.
Posted by: Joey at December 02, 2003 04:17 AM (Jq6q/)
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There are a couple of methods:
1)delete the relevant files, then run Defrag a couple of times. This won't throw off the police or a serious data recovery effort, but it will get rid of the files if you're just nervous about a casual user, or perhaps selling the computer or drive.
2)Format the drive using a Win98 boot disk. (which will format it in FAT32 format. Then reinstall Windows 2000, making sure to do it in NTFS format. This would defeat anything but a really determined recovery effort.
3)Pull the hard drive out of the laptop and set it on fire with lighter fluid, while waving your hands and sticking your tongue out, Jimi Hendrix style. More fun than the other methods, but probably not ok with your local fire marshal....
Posted by: Dr_Funk at December 02, 2003 06:35 AM (2YeFq)
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Do a google search on "disk wipe" and you'll find the tools necessary to really erase your hard drive. I have pulled back nearly all data from a formatted hard drive before, so don't just format it if you are worried about it.
By the way, I discovered your site today and dig it muchly. We have a lot of interesting things in common.
Posted by: Almost Lucid at December 02, 2003 05:02 PM (kmBPo)
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